Fireside given by Brother N. Marion Law
in approximately 1983. He speaks about an experience he had on
his mission with the Communists which revealed their plan to be like unto satan's plan. and
more.
I recounted this particular experience to Pres. Benson a number of years ago
and he asked me to write it and take it to Pres. McKay. He said that this is
the detail of the plan that Satan presented in the preexistent world. He said
that "I’d never heard it before but that’s it." And right after this
experience happened, I met Apostle Matthew Cowley in
The reason that I mentioned it to Pres. Benson is that I had been given an
assignment when I went to
My assignments were primarily in organizing departments and selecting ? in administrative programming and found people
who didn’t understand the gospel as taught by its doctrine and it was extremely
difficult to get them removed but because of the results of that particular
assignment, I had opportunities to meet with many of the brethren, working
projects with Marion G. Romney and Brother Benson and some of the others, Bro.
Packer and so forth and out of these experiences with those brethren, I gained
a tremendous insight into the workings of the Kingdom and the attitude and
perspective that the Lord uses in administering His Kingdom.
When I mentioned this to Bro. Benson, he and I were having a discussion
about something that happened many years later. My wife and I were living in
the SL area at the time. Bro. Benson had asked me if I would assist a fellow to
keep his gun factory in SLC. I don’t know whether that there is one there, it’s
the only gun factory west of the Mississippi, and he had brought it in from
Mexico and set it up in SLC, and was manufacturing an automatic 22 line rifle
caliber, fully automatic weapon which of course is only legal for military or
police forces to buy but there was the gunsmith who was probably the finest
gunsmith in the country. The fellow was over capitalized and spend
? thousand dollars to buy the gun factory and was having difficulty with
it so he was keeping it, but he had been offered a couple million by someone in
LA and he went to Bro. Benson and Bro. Benson called me and said can you help
this man arrange some financing so we can keep the gun factory in this area. He
said we have to keep it here and I said why do we have to keep it here? Well,
we’re gonna have some problems. And I said,
"Bro. Benson, let me tell you an experience that I had recently." We
had some friends who had read ????? and
these friends had decided that what we ought to do is to go over in the field
behind Toulila. If you know Utah Valley, you know
where Touilla, Utah is and you go around the backside
of the Ocre mountains and when you come in there is a
valley in thee, the entrance to it is about the width of this room and there is
a little valley stuck in there and one of my friends had made an offer on that
piece of valley and we were going to go back in there and build ourselves a
"situation?" or hideout. Well this was kind of exciting. We had gotten
excited and we were gathering things and one night I had a dream that really
shook me. I had never realized that the Jordan River, the Jordan Taylorsville
area of
‘I can’t go up in the mountains._________________. We had to cancel the
program but that scene was so vivid and I recounted it to Pres. Benson and he
said, "Brother Law, you have seen what I have seen." He said this
valley will the scene of warfare and bloodshed before the Lord comes and so it
was a sad occasion that I tell you Pres., let me tell you something else that
happened to me and he, as I outlined for him what I’m going to tell you
tonight, then he suggested to me that this has some interesting implications
for us in our understanding of "whatever" that transpired in the
preexistent world.
I was tracting in the city of
Now, I’m beginning to hear some things that I have heard before, you know,
and I am thinking, wow, where is this man coming from? Now realize that I was
there for 3 solid hours, my companion just about went out of his skull
wondering where I was. He searched the streets thoroughly, over and over and
over, didn’t dare leave, you don’t go home and say Mission President, I lost my
companion, give me another one. He was terrified as much as I was because he
had no idea of what had become of me and he was really frightened but anyway,
he described to me in considerable detail the concept of psychological
conditioning. I was running a college in Calgary "something college"
and I remember one of our administrators or deans came to me and he said I want
to start a new program now this was 25 years after I had been in Australia. He
said we want to have a T grouping session. I said what’s that, so he described
to me how everyone gets around in a group and everyone confesses their worst
thing they have ever done to the group, and it was a group confession type of
thing and he described how this conditioning the group would be. They would
lose their inhibitions, that they would literally throw off the shackles and
this would free their creativity and their abilities to function.
Unfortunately, we had discovered that these processes do not free the
inhibitions, they shackle the individual because then the individual becomes
subject to the inhibitions and pressures of the group and therefore, once
having thrown off the inhibitions, that the group then exerts a group pressure
and those people who get involved with it, literally run amuck. They just come
unglued and so I said to him no but I discovered a little while later that it
was not just 3 or 4 days before he was holding these sessions in his home
anyway but we had gone through those and we had now all kinds of those sorts of
things.
He described the drug culture to me, something I just couldn’t comprehend
and he described how it would be used to condition people to bring them to a
point of freedom, freedom of thinking and so forth. And he described a process
that 25 years later came into being, it’s interesting
of course that Red China’s most profitable export to
He said we will use music, he described rock music, and it didn’t make any
sense to me. I just didn’t understand it. Since then, we are very much aware of
the fact that Pavlov was a Russian scientist who as you know used the dogs,
conditioned the doges to respond a certain way and then conditioned them to respond
other ways. Pavlov, we now know, was taken into Lenin’s home in
Now that’s __________ of rock music. That’s the underlying beat that goes on
and it constantly changes, it is constantly changing. That’s why you’ll have
several guitars and several instruments that are the same, the instruments are
the same, they don’t have a trumpet and saxophone and a violin because what
they need is the conditioning ability of those instruments. They need intense
volume, they can deliver any message whatsoever, whether it is backward or
forward, doesn’t matter whether you can hear the words in the language that we
are speaking or whether it’s exactly the opposite but the brain will unscramble
is an pick it up. And so we know, for example, that this melodic dissonance can
create a conditioning effect so that you will believe what ever it is that you
are taught. This is the beginning of the free love revolution, is the beginning
of the drug culture, the beginning of anti-authority revolution, the beginning
of our deterioration of our respect for the flag, the country, the policemen,
all the institutions that hold the fabric of our society together. And so these
things, he described to me, in great detail. It was fascinating,
it just was sort of overwhelming to me. I just was, so much of it I didn’t
remember because it was so foreign to what I could relate to and so he
indicated of course that they would use force where necessary. He said to me
that we’ll take the children from their parents, early enough so that we can
condition them, we eliminate all mental, emotional, and physical cripples at
birth. They would of course have to be terminated. He said we are now
researching and doing experimentation with science so we can extend the life
span so that man can live forever. He said the day will come when we will be able
to reach into the planets and create a whole universe of these perfect, sinless
souls. Well, I protested that you cannot enslave the minds of man, you just
mustn’t enslave man’s mind this way. He said, Mr. Law, you’ve been here how
long? Well, I had been there about 10 or 12 months. He said, how many people
have you saved? I said, well, not very many. And he said you don’t love anybody
then and I said of course [I do], but he said that is not why you are here. If
you love everybody, you would embrace our plan. Yours is failing. You have
admitted it. How many people have you brought into the light of the gospel?
Well, not very many. He said you are right but in our plan, every living soul
will be saved. And I said, well, that’s a great plan but I, everyone is going
to have their free agency. I was as dumb as they come, I admit it but this guy
is a very sophisticated, intellectual individual, and he said I can even prove
it with your own arguments. He said, who do you love?
Well, just 2 or 3 months earlier, I had gotten a Dear John from a girl I’d left
behind so I said I love my mother. He said I can prove you don’t even love your
mother. He said we know, for example, he said that the Mormons believe that
strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leadeth
to heaven and few there be that find it and I said yes, oh yes, but there is….
"Don’t tell me about the 3 degrees of glory, we also know that many are
called to be Gods but few are chosen, isn’t that Mormon doctrine, many are
called but few are chosen. Well, yeah. He said so that means that your mother
can choose Hell if she wants. Well yeah. Or she might even fall through the
cracks in the church, he said don’t you have a doctrine that also goes on to
say that many are called to be Mormons but few are chosen to be Gods. We do
have that, its kind prevalent in the D&C. He said so you don’t even love
your Mother. Under our plan, it’s guaranteed that she’ll be saved. I said but I
can’t force her to go into heaven. When she finds out how beautiful it is, if there
is such a place and it is as good as you say it is,
she’ll spend eternity thanking you for making sure that she was saved. Well, he
said that we’re only lovers of humanity, we are the only ones, who truly love
our fellow men, you don’t, you’re prepared to let them
go to hell.
We don’t want anybody to be hurt or abased or offended or wounded or
punished or anything. Why should they be punished? We’ll save ‘em all, we’ll condition their minds, he said we know we can
do it. When we take political and economic control of the world, we will
institute our spiritual part of our plan to you and I said well, boy, uhhh, I have heard some of this before. He said that is not
possible. He said you might have heard of the political part of the plan, you
might have heard pf the part of the economic part of
the plan but never the spiritual part of the plan. He said the spiritual part
of the plan is not written or recorded, only the hard core elite are exposed to
the spiritual part of our plan. And he said, I ‘m one of those in
Wee, I was really just dumbfounded. I really was just shocked and to
conclude that experience, I said to him, well, and he said what’s wrong with
our plan? And I said you have to give people their right to choose. And he said
they’ll go to hell if they choose and you are not saving anybody. How many
people are in your church? There was about, then I
think there was less than a million people. He said out of 2 and ½ billion? And
the rest of them are going to hell. No, don’t give me any of that 3 degrees
stuff he said. If you don’t make the top, they haven’t made it.
(Here was a break in the cassette and then it continued….)
…that Jesus Christ is his Son and he became violently angry. He said we
don’t believe in that myth. That’s a myth, that’s a mystery. They are just parables.
And I said no I have heard the voice of the Lord, I have felt his power and I
know that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. This man became so violent with me,
he attacked me and only then could I break loose and run out in to the middle
of the street. I found my companion wandering up and down the street, he had to
help me onto the street car and take me home and after that 3 hour experience
it was a nightmare. I haven’t taken the time to recount to you all the things
because he did go through in detail in the method in which they would use diet,
the drugs and the music and I’ve explained to you just a little bit how they
would introduce this music and then the drugs, they would introduce it into our
diet, our foods, they would do all kinds of things that would condition us so
we that we would be susceptible and easily led. We would not fight against them
so that we would literally embrace their principles and these doctrines.
Let me just read to you a quote by J. Edgar Hoover, one of the most maligned
men of all time and probably was eliminated by those people he was standing as
a bulwark against. He said:
"We must now face the harsh truth that the objectives of communism are
being steadily advanced because many of us do not readily recognize the means
used to advance them. No one who truly understands what it really is can be
taken in by it. Yet the individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a
conspiracy so monsterous you cannot believe it
exists. The American mind simply has not come to a realization that the evil
has been introduced into our midst."
Pres. Benson removed, personally, 1,800 communist agents from the
agriculture department alone. The amazing thing is, that our government is
infiltrated, no wonder, Pres. Joseph Fielding Smith said that all governments
have been taken over by Satan. I t is now his domain. Do you remember this
morning in our Sunday School class when we read in the 7th chapter of Moses how
the Lord said when he was describing to Enoch "and there came generations
upon generations" when he was showing to Enoch in Moses 7:24 "And
there came generation upon generation; and Enoch was high and lifted up, even
in the bosom of the Father, and of the Son of Man; and behold, the power of
Satan was upon all the face of the earth." And we have been told that
we’re living in a day when the power of Satan totally dominates all
governments. Not only communist governments but our own as
well. And Joseph Fielding told us that the thing that keeps us in a
state of freedom is that the Lord stops Satan from going so far. He only allows
him to go so far. Remember that in the 87th section of the D&C, we have
been told that the Lord will make a full end of all nations at the end of the
world. "And thus, with the sword and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the
earth shall mourn; and with famine, and plague, and earthquake, and the thunder
of heaven, and the fierce and vivid lightning also, shall the inhabitants of
the earth be made to feel the wrath, and indignation, and chastening hand of an
Almighty God, until the consumption decreed hath made a full end of all
nations;
That our hope will only be in the government of God, that
the Kingdom is the only place that we can be. Now, that experience got me
involved in politics. I was a member of the police commission in
President McKay pleased with the priesthood of God to destroy out of
And so we have an interesting assignment ahead of us, because we have gone
to the point now where it is no longer possible for us to eliminate the secret
combinations from around the world. Our assignment is to gather the church
together as tightly as we can, to pull it together as strongly and as
vigorously as we can. I was asked to speak to the John Birch Society a few
years ago because of my very out-spoken attacks on communists, communism and
their doctrines. It’s the doctrines that we embrace that are the most
frightening. And so when I had finished speaking to them, they asked me why aren’t you a member of the JBS. And I said well, there is
only one organization in the world that will defeat satanic communism, as Pres.
McKay calls it, and that’s the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And
I already belong to the greatest communism fighting organization there is. And
my goal is to teach truth so that people will come to the truth and thereby
know to reject the evil. And so, we need to be aware that the agency of force,
of unrighteous dominion, the greatest agency is government. Because
government administers out of the end of the barrel of a gun. It’s
always that simple. Until we come to the day where we have a government of God
based on the Constitution then we will have the only true form of government
upon the earth. You see the thing that concerns me, Pres. McKay made a
statement, he said "We have no enemies. The
Catholics are not our enemies. The Protestants are not our enemies. Labor is
not our enemy, organized capital is not our enemy. He said we only have one
enemy and that is satanic communism and those who support their doctrines. Let
me tell you some of the kinds of doctrines that we face.
We’re taught, we are being led to believe that we
can live in a peaceful coexistence with
In the 45th section of D&C, we have a need Brothers and Sisters (Bishop,
thanks for reading your scriptures) we have a tremendous need that we be not
deceived. You recall, the 56th verse, it says that in that day when I shall
come in my glory, shall the parable be fulfilled which I spake
concerning the 10 virgins, that they that are wise and have received the truth
and have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide and have not been deceived. We
are so deceived by the lies and deceptions that are practiced upon us that if
we’re not careful, we will embrace them. Our minds will be darkened by those
deceptions of Satan. And let me just point out to you how dangerous it is.
You brethren and you sisters, the 95th section of the D&C says:
"For the preparation wherewith I design to prepare mine apostles to prune
my vineyard for the last time, that I may bring to pass my strange act, that I
may pour out my Spirit upon all flesh—
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But behold, verily I say unto you, that there are many who have
been ordained among you, whom I have called but few of them are chosen.
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They who are not chosen have sinned a
very grievous sin, in that they are walking in darkness at noon-day."
These do not know the doctrines of the kingdom. The mysteries of Godliness are
told to us in the temples. We don’t go to the temples often enough to get our
training, the university, the training ground of the Lord’s Kingdom is in the
temple. We don’t read the scriptures, the Book of Moses. I kept a class,
Bishop, 6,7 & 8 chapters of Moses for 2 weeks and
we should have spent 6 months on it. Cause that
experience with Enoch is so tremendous. We ought to know the signs of the
times. It’s amazing. You know, I used to be called upon to give a lot of talks
about the signs of the times and having your calling and election made sure and
we don’t even bother with studying the scriptures enough. The Lord has told us
that the foolish virgins will be in the Kingdom right up until the very end and
those are those who are deceived and who does the deceiving? Well, let me just
refer you to a couple more scriptures and then in the 46th section of the
D&C, the 6, 7 and 8th verses.
And again I say unto you, concerning your confirmation meetings, that if
there be any that are not of the church, that are earnestly seeking after the
kingdom, ye shall not cast them out.
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But ye are commanded in all things to ask of God, who giveth liberally; and that which the Spirit testifies unto
you even so I would that ye should do in all holiness of heart, walking uprightly before me, considering the end of your salvation, doing all things with
prayer and thanksgiving, that ye may not be seduced by evil spirits, or
doctrines of devils, or the commandments of men; for some are of men, and
others of devils.
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Wherefore, beware lest ye are deceived; and that ye may not be
deceived seek ye earnestly the best gifts, always remembering for what they are
given;
And in conclusion let me point you to the 112th section of D&C and this
is the one that we really need to pay particular attention to.
Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth
the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become
corrupt before my face.
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Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the
earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of
mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the
face of the earth, saith the Lord.
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And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it
go forth, saith the Lord;
The Lord will begin to cleanse the earth, beginning in his own house. Upon
those who are deceived, who know not the plan of the Lord, who don’t understand
the power of the Holy Ghost who don’t understand what it takes to purify us. I
mentioned to our Sunday school class today that when I was traveling with Bro.
Cowley, he told me a tremendous thing. He said he showed me the place where he
had translated the Book of Mormon. He started when he was 16. His father,
Matthias F. Cowley, who was an apostle sent him out at the age of 16 and said
it’s time for you to go and his 1st assignment was to translate the Book of
Mormon into the Maori language. A horrendous assignment for a
boy of 16. And I said, Bro. Cowley, what did
you do? And he said Bro. Law, I did what you always do
when you run into problems. I quit eating. He said, I fasted and I prayed till
the Lord gave me the answers. We don’t understand that principle. We believe
that once a moth, for 2 meals to care for the poor is what it’s about. The Lord
fasted for 40 days to get his spirit in tune. Moses fasted for 40 days. I’m not
suggesting you need to fast for 40 days. I want you to know that here is power
in the fast. Someday I’ll tell you about an experience I had as a seminary
teacher with a little girl who was destroying the class and the testimonies of
the whole group.
I didn’t know what to do with her till I read what
Let virtue garnish thy thoughts
unceasingly; then shall thy confidence wax strong in the presence of God; and the doctrine of the priesthood shall
distil upon thy soul as the dews from heaven.
Realize that these things come from conditioning our minds. That’s why we
have these scriptures. You can’t read these enough. And then the Lord gave us
that weapon that Bro. Cowley used, fasting and prayer that we become humble and
contrite, teachable spirits. Then the Lord can make us a Holy people. And it
doesn’t matter what forces Satan brings against us, we shall be able to withstand.
We shall have gathered around us a group of people who can withstand who live
in hope and not fear. So when the terrible times of the earth come upon us, and
we have not even begun to understand what those are, the signs of the times,
are frightening and terrible, in fact, we’re told that they will become so
terrible that the Saints will stand still and plead with the Lord to let the
end come. But here has to be a group of people that are so committed, so
faithful, and so righteous that around them can gather the weak ones and they
can become stronger and stronger so that the kingdom of the Lord can be
established that the New Jerusalem can exist and be real. I want to bear you my
testimony that the Lord has been tremendously good to me. He gave me my wife by
revelation, he has guided my life many times by revelation and I have heard the
voice of the Lord witnessing to many things but most precious to me is the
feeling, the piercing of my soul with the Holy Ghost that testified to me when
he told me that Jesus Christ was his son for this, according to the prophet
Joseph is the true testimony to know that Jesus is the Son of God.
And I testify to you that these things are true, the enemy is about us and
all around us, it is everywhere, it is in our midst, it
was at BYU in great intensity. There were men there who sent a petition to